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		<title>By: Robert Nijssen</title>
		<link>http://www.gibburt.com/giving/comment-page-1/#comment-242</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Nijssen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 23:00:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jorn,

I read your link and I agree with you, it is not a very nice story but to me it only stresses the need to be selective in which organisations to give to.

@Cedric,

The fact that how a situation makes us feel, impacts our judgement of that situation does not justify our closing our eyes for things we may not feel but still know about. What this means is that instead of chosing who and why you will help,you want to be manipulated by anyone who can create a certain feeling in you.

And yes you are right: it is very hard to &#039;proof&#039; what sort of moral obligation derives from knowing something. But his applies as much to the drowning next door child as the dying far away child</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jorn,</p>
<p>I read your link and I agree with you, it is not a very nice story but to me it only stresses the need to be selective in which organisations to give to.</p>
<p>@Cedric,</p>
<p>The fact that how a situation makes us feel, impacts our judgement of that situation does not justify our closing our eyes for things we may not feel but still know about. What this means is that instead of chosing who and why you will help,you want to be manipulated by anyone who can create a certain feeling in you.</p>
<p>And yes you are right: it is very hard to &#8216;proof&#8217; what sort of moral obligation derives from knowing something. But his applies as much to the drowning next door child as the dying far away child</p>
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		<title>By: Jörn Zaefferer</title>
		<link>http://www.gibburt.com/giving/comment-page-1/#comment-239</link>
		<dc:creator>Jörn Zaefferer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 18:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You make a good argument for giving and providing some helpers to figure out the right amount to give, but leave open the question on whom to donate to.

News like these aren&#039;t exactly encouraging either: http://www.tagesspiegel.de/weltspiegel/WFP;art1117,2930582</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You make a good argument for giving and providing some helpers to figure out the right amount to give, but leave open the question on whom to donate to.</p>
<p>News like these aren&#8217;t exactly encouraging either: <a href="http://www.tagesspiegel.de/weltspiegel/WFP;art1117,2930582" rel="nofollow">http://www.tagesspiegel.de/weltspiegel/WFP;art1117,2930582</a></p>
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		<title>By: Cédric</title>
		<link>http://www.gibburt.com/giving/comment-page-1/#comment-237</link>
		<dc:creator>Cédric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 16:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert, 

I really have to disagree there: the way an event enters our mind affects the way our capacity to judge interpretates the particular event. The fact that it FEELS differently is essential because this determines how we judge the situation.

But maybe you can explain more what you mean with the &quot;point of view that we ought to help&quot;, I mean, knowing something bad happens doesn&#039;t imply a moral obligation to do something about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert, </p>
<p>I really have to disagree there: the way an event enters our mind affects the way our capacity to judge interpretates the particular event. The fact that it FEELS differently is essential because this determines how we judge the situation.</p>
<p>But maybe you can explain more what you mean with the &#8220;point of view that we ought to help&#8221;, I mean, knowing something bad happens doesn&#8217;t imply a moral obligation to do something about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Nijssen</title>
		<link>http://www.gibburt.com/giving/comment-page-1/#comment-236</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Nijssen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 07:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cedric,

To me both in the case of the drowning child or in the case of the somewhere else dying of hunger child the core of the situation is the same: a child is dying that maybe does not have to. The fact that it FEELS differentl because one is so close and the other one is far away does not make it different from the point of view that we ought to help. The other questions you asked (how do I know my money really reaches the needy) is again more a matter of selecting the right charity to give to then a question of should I give at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cedric,</p>
<p>To me both in the case of the drowning child or in the case of the somewhere else dying of hunger child the core of the situation is the same: a child is dying that maybe does not have to. The fact that it FEELS differentl because one is so close and the other one is far away does not make it different from the point of view that we ought to help. The other questions you asked (how do I know my money really reaches the needy) is again more a matter of selecting the right charity to give to then a question of should I give at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Cédric</title>
		<link>http://www.gibburt.com/giving/comment-page-1/#comment-235</link>
		<dc:creator>Cédric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 10:11:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t give anything to charity at all. When people ask me directly, or beg, 9 out of 10 times I refuse. Sometimes I buy a paper from the homeless guy at my local supermarket, but I don&#039;t consider this to be charity, &#039;cos he&#039;s selling me something.

The comparison you make is rather over the top. There is a fundamental difference between the kid that I see drowning and the kid with a big belly the tv shows me. The drowning child I see, hear, experience directly, meaning it appeals directly to my capacity of compassion. The child I see drowning is in acute need: if I don&#039;t do anything now it will die. 
The kid on tv I experience on a more abstract level. If I spend 100€ for the kid on tv, how am I to know whether my money will ever help this particular child? Maybe it takes a month or two for my money to be transformed into bread and delivered to this child, only to be placed upon its grave...

Actually, when I help the drowning child, is it really an act of charity? 

I don&#039;t exactly know why I don&#039;t donate to charity. I don&#039;t even feel bad about not giving anything. Why? I don&#039;t know...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t give anything to charity at all. When people ask me directly, or beg, 9 out of 10 times I refuse. Sometimes I buy a paper from the homeless guy at my local supermarket, but I don&#8217;t consider this to be charity, &#8216;cos he&#8217;s selling me something.</p>
<p>The comparison you make is rather over the top. There is a fundamental difference between the kid that I see drowning and the kid with a big belly the tv shows me. The drowning child I see, hear, experience directly, meaning it appeals directly to my capacity of compassion. The child I see drowning is in acute need: if I don&#8217;t do anything now it will die.<br />
The kid on tv I experience on a more abstract level. If I spend 100€ for the kid on tv, how am I to know whether my money will ever help this particular child? Maybe it takes a month or two for my money to be transformed into bread and delivered to this child, only to be placed upon its grave&#8230;</p>
<p>Actually, when I help the drowning child, is it really an act of charity? </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t exactly know why I don&#8217;t donate to charity. I don&#8217;t even feel bad about not giving anything. Why? I don&#8217;t know&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Nijssen</title>
		<link>http://www.gibburt.com/giving/comment-page-1/#comment-234</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Nijssen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 07:04:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@hawk:

I am not sure if you used the calculator correctly because if your hourly rate is as high as you suggest, you should pay at least 5% !

@ Good German

I must admit that that 8-10% also seems a bit high to me. The question how far to go is also an interesting question and as such I was planning to write another post about that at a later date (man has gotta work as well you know), but at this stage how far to go seems less important because one thing is for sure.... we need to go farther than we are going now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@hawk:</p>
<p>I am not sure if you used the calculator correctly because if your hourly rate is as high as you suggest, you should pay at least 5% !</p>
<p>@ Good German</p>
<p>I must admit that that 8-10% also seems a bit high to me. The question how far to go is also an interesting question and as such I was planning to write another post about that at a later date (man has gotta work as well you know), but at this stage how far to go seems less important because one thing is for sure&#8230;. we need to go farther than we are going now.</p>
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		<title>By: Johan van Elst</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johan van Elst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 21:43:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Good German,

I know these things differ from location to location but here (in the Netherlands) I am pretty sure that there are very few people who give 8-10% of their income. And what I know about the US for example is that people do give a lot but by far the most of that money is going to either their local church or their university. Which is fine of course but that doesnt help the real poor people of the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Good German,</p>
<p>I know these things differ from location to location but here (in the Netherlands) I am pretty sure that there are very few people who give 8-10% of their income. And what I know about the US for example is that people do give a lot but by far the most of that money is going to either their local church or their university. Which is fine of course but that doesnt help the real poor people of the world.</p>
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		<title>By: The Good German</title>
		<link>http://www.gibburt.com/giving/comment-page-1/#comment-232</link>
		<dc:creator>The Good German</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 16:43:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t overlook the obvious: Many, if not most, active members of the big 3 religions tythe at least 8-10% of thier income. A large percentage of thything goes towards aiding those in need at home and abroad. Contrary to what many aethiests and skeptics would like to believe, this aid is generally provided with no spiritual strings attached. 

The bigger question is &quot;Where do you draw the line?&quot; or &quot;How much is enough?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t overlook the obvious: Many, if not most, active members of the big 3 religions tythe at least 8-10% of thier income. A large percentage of thything goes towards aiding those in need at home and abroad. Contrary to what many aethiests and skeptics would like to believe, this aid is generally provided with no spiritual strings attached. </p>
<p>The bigger question is &#8220;Where do you draw the line?&#8221; or &#8220;How much is enough?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Evans</title>
		<link>http://www.gibburt.com/giving/comment-page-1/#comment-231</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 07:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are right, it is important to contribute to our community, thats why I still support my old college and some local community work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are right, it is important to contribute to our community, thats why I still support my old college and some local community work.</p>
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		<title>By: Fatma Gunel</title>
		<link>http://www.gibburt.com/giving/comment-page-1/#comment-230</link>
		<dc:creator>Fatma Gunel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 14:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think one other thing that makes people hesitate (lazy) is the amount of time that they need to spend to find the appropriate aid organizations. Though I think it is everybody’s responsibility to determine how much they want to sacrifice within their doable limits, I believe proposed percentages will stimulate and bring reasonability. I am pretty sure everybody is helping to their local community but the hard thing is to donate to people that you don’t share the same values and I am afraid thats where we are failing the most.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think one other thing that makes people hesitate (lazy) is the amount of time that they need to spend to find the appropriate aid organizations. Though I think it is everybody’s responsibility to determine how much they want to sacrifice within their doable limits, I believe proposed percentages will stimulate and bring reasonability. I am pretty sure everybody is helping to their local community but the hard thing is to donate to people that you don’t share the same values and I am afraid thats where we are failing the most.</p>
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