Comments on: The gay marriage: All animals are equal but some are (apparently) more equal than others http://www.gibburt.com/the-gay-marriage-all-animals-are-equal-but-some-are-apparently-more-equal-than-others/ Mon, 25 Jan 2010 08:55:39 +0100 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Gibburt » Gibburt Top 5 Most read http://www.gibburt.com/the-gay-marriage-all-animals-are-equal-but-some-are-apparently-more-equal-than-others/comment-page-1/#comment-322 Gibburt » Gibburt Top 5 Most read Wed, 06 Jan 2010 21:39:48 +0000 http://www.gibburt.com/?p=161#comment-322 [...] 5 1. Russia still loves Stalin 2. The gay marriage: All animals are equal but some are more equal than others 3. Giving 4.The fall of the DSB bank 5. Succes, [...] [...] 5 1. Russia still loves Stalin 2. The gay marriage: All animals are equal but some are more equal than others 3. Giving 4.The fall of the DSB bank 5. Succes, [...]

]]> By: Cédric http://www.gibburt.com/the-gay-marriage-all-animals-are-equal-but-some-are-apparently-more-equal-than-others/comment-page-1/#comment-193 Cédric Wed, 07 Oct 2009 15:25:13 +0000 http://www.gibburt.com/?p=161#comment-193 Interesting thought. I guess those psychologists didn't read Plato :) I was thinking along these lines: Before there were any reliable tools for birth control, marriage almost automatically means children. Especially where this was combined with a (christian) doctrine of sex being exclusive to marriage. People with small children tend to be less prone to take risks. You just don't want to end up in jail for protesting against the gov if you have a few mouths to feed. (protesters in conflict areas are mostly teens or early tweens) People with children rather wait 'till the storm is over. So this could be a reason why the state rather has people with children than without. Interesting thought. I guess those psychologists didn’t read Plato :)
I was thinking along these lines:

Before there were any reliable tools for birth control, marriage almost automatically means children. Especially where this was combined with a (christian) doctrine of sex being exclusive to marriage.
People with small children tend to be less prone to take risks. You just don’t want to end up in jail for protesting against the gov if you have a few mouths to feed. (protesters in conflict areas are mostly teens or early tweens) People with children rather wait ’till the storm is over.
So this could be a reason why the state rather has people with children than without.

]]> By: Robert Nijssen http://www.gibburt.com/the-gay-marriage-all-animals-are-equal-but-some-are-apparently-more-equal-than-others/comment-page-1/#comment-192 Robert Nijssen Tue, 06 Oct 2009 14:15:21 +0000 http://www.gibburt.com/?p=161#comment-192 Cedric, It is not so much that the State should care about which partner you choose (of course the sate does as recognized by the fact that the same sex marriage is still illegal in most countries), but that the State publicly accepts you and your partner is being part of it. I think you are right that the States true interest lies in stability, but marriage is one of the many tools the state has for that. According to many psychologists companionship is a very fundamental need for us and by publicly accepting the fulfillment of that need I think the State furthers its own goals of stability. Cedric,
It is not so much that the State should care about which partner you choose (of course the sate does as recognized by the fact that the same sex marriage is still illegal in most countries), but that the State publicly accepts you and your partner is being part of it. I think you are right that the States true interest lies in stability, but marriage is one of the many tools the state has for that. According to many psychologists companionship is a very fundamental need for us and by publicly accepting the fulfillment of that need I think the State furthers its own goals of stability.

]]> By: Cédric http://www.gibburt.com/the-gay-marriage-all-animals-are-equal-but-some-are-apparently-more-equal-than-others/comment-page-1/#comment-190 Cédric Mon, 05 Oct 2009 21:44:51 +0000 http://www.gibburt.com/?p=161#comment-190 I agree Robert, and it's the public aspect that raises the question: why has the state been supporting the institute of marriage throughout the ages? There are probably hundreds of possible constellations for people to join together, but only the specific "one female, one male" has been the cornerstone of Western society. At this moment I have no clear or comprehensive explanation for this, but my thoughts go in the direction of control and stability. Maybe I'd like to elaborate on this tomorrow, or maybe you can explain why the state would care to confirm what partner I choose. I agree Robert, and it’s the public aspect that raises the question: why has the state been supporting the institute of marriage throughout the ages? There are probably hundreds of possible constellations for people to join together, but only the specific “one female, one male” has been the cornerstone of Western society.
At this moment I have no clear or comprehensive explanation for this, but my thoughts go in the direction of control and stability. Maybe I’d like to elaborate on this tomorrow, or maybe you can explain why the state would care to confirm what partner I choose.

]]> By: Robert Nijssen http://www.gibburt.com/the-gay-marriage-all-animals-are-equal-but-some-are-apparently-more-equal-than-others/comment-page-1/#comment-189 Robert Nijssen Mon, 05 Oct 2009 21:14:13 +0000 http://www.gibburt.com/?p=161#comment-189 Lisa, I think marriage has many reasons but through the eyes of the state (and thats what matters when it comes to ratification of the marriage by the state ) there is a practical aspect to marriage (you know the contract which says what happens when one partner dies, or when a baby is born etc....) and a public aspect which - in my eyes - revolves around the confirmation of the state of your partner choice. Lisa,

I think marriage has many reasons but through the eyes of the state (and thats what matters when it comes to ratification of the marriage by the state ) there is a practical aspect to marriage (you know the contract which says what happens when one partner dies, or when a baby is born etc….) and a public aspect which – in my eyes – revolves around the confirmation of the state of your partner choice.

]]> By: Hawk http://www.gibburt.com/the-gay-marriage-all-animals-are-equal-but-some-are-apparently-more-equal-than-others/comment-page-1/#comment-187 Hawk Mon, 05 Oct 2009 09:50:50 +0000 http://www.gibburt.com/?p=161#comment-187 no Lisa, the most important reason why people marry is that they receive great tax benefits no Lisa, the most important reason why people marry is that they receive great tax benefits

]]> By: Lisa Evans http://www.gibburt.com/the-gay-marriage-all-animals-are-equal-but-some-are-apparently-more-equal-than-others/comment-page-1/#comment-186 Lisa Evans Mon, 05 Oct 2009 08:19:11 +0000 http://www.gibburt.com/?p=161#comment-186 You think the only purpose of marriage is to publicly announce that you want to be with your partner? You think the only purpose of marriage is to publicly announce that you want to be with your partner?

]]> By: Hawk http://www.gibburt.com/the-gay-marriage-all-animals-are-equal-but-some-are-apparently-more-equal-than-others/comment-page-1/#comment-167 Hawk Thu, 01 Oct 2009 18:29:36 +0000 http://www.gibburt.com/?p=161#comment-167 yeah, let's make it a law that as soon as the wife reaches menopause, the marriage is revoked. yeah, let’s make it a law that as soon as the wife reaches menopause, the marriage is revoked.

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